moored26 wrote:
MAIN CARD

* Lyoto Machida (c) vs. Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, Machida by TKO R3
UFC Light Heavyweight Championship
* Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell, Velasquez by TKO R2, Rothwell to test positive too.
* Sean Sherk vs. Gleison Tibau, I'd like to say Tibau by UD but Sherk by UD I think.
* Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher, Stevenson by Sub R1
* Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida, Johnson by KO R1

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Antoni Hardonk vs. Pat Barry, War of the leg kicks, Barry by UD
* Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen, Okami by UD
* Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons, Rivera by TKO R1
* Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer, Bader by UD
* Razak Al-Hassan vs. Kyle Kingsbury,Don't care.
* Chase Gormley vs. Stefan Struve, Don't care.I am going to stick with my choices, except for sherk v tibau has changed so I am going with Tibau by decision or neer by sub. Still on for the free t-shirt if rothwell tests positive Richard?

Hardonk vs Barry was a good fight. Hardonk looked way off his game and Barry seemed spot on.

I think Bader proved he's just a one punch wonder tonight. He's a mongo that gets a pass on the Lesnar bus as far as I am concerned. Thank god he had coaching to tell him what to do or he would have stayed with his "Cronk crush you" tactics and lost the fight. It took a round for "The Red" to get his range but #2 was all his. The 3rd was a toss until Red got hit. But once again Bader in all his wrestling glory couldn't do diddly, got desperate and had to resort to wating out th round and going for a round stealing takedown. This is one guy I'd love tocraptalk into a fight.

My "frat rat jock" comment was base off reliable info proclaiming the athleic directors hanging his ass on the line to bump up grades, bail them out on no less than a combined 11 UIP's (on campus)and a magical disapering DUI. Colleges protect atheletes for the prestige they bring in competition. All that and I have met with both of them, traind with them at ACS and have seen their absoloute juvinile and arrogant behavior in person.

^^ Rua is the LHW champ, there is NO way lyoto on that fight, i had rua winning every round cept the 3rd and in convincing manner, he countered about 99% of machidas attacks and picked him apart with leg kicks ALL fight long. he ended the machida era imo, i cant beleive how bad the judges screwed shogun. i dont get how watching w/o the sound on is gona chance anything, the thousands of fans who boo'd didnt hear the announcers, the judges didnt see the fight any better than any1 else, and it was a total BS call.

I had second round for Machida and that was it. They say you have to BEAT the champion but he really did. Very surprised. Judges get things in their heads with fighters, fooling themselves into thinking that a fighter is doing pretty well or that he is actually landing when he isn't.
I think the judges should be outside the arena watching on tv, then the results are sent in to the arena. Its the only way they can see the fight from all angles and get an objective view of what is going on. When you think of Machida you think 'elusive' and 'accurate', from the judges seats they could not have seen all of what was landing and what wasn't landing so when they see an exchange and don't really know what happened in it then the default answer for them may be to say that Machida won the exchange.
The judges are slightly below the level of the mat and could never see the intricacies of an exchange from one angle and from only one viewing. Even Goldie and Rogan can't see exactly what is going on and they are watching their screens, they need replays to let them know what just happened.

I say put the judges outside in different vans, and have their results sent into the arena then, also a better scoring system would help it or maybe just a broader scoring system, like round winner getting 30 points, loser 29 or less, more drawn rounds should be given and with the bigger points system then it would be easier to give 30-27 or 30-25 rounds.

I have some thoughts after watching the fight again. While I'm sure others will disagree, I can see where the judges were at. It was certainly more punishment than we've ever seen Machida take before- but that doesn't necessarily mean he lost. Now, I do think that this fight shows the weakness of the current scoring system. Here's how I saw it:
Round 1: VERY CLOSE, give the champ the edge bc he's the champ
Round 2: Arguably Machida
Round 3: Machida
Round 4: Shogun
Round 5: Shogun
Result: Machida 48, Shogun 47

Now the problem is that Shogun's 10-9 rounds were more impressive than Machida's 10-9 rounds. If there were a heavier weighted scoring system, such as something like what moored was referring to, then I agree that Shogun would be the winner. If damage was a factor- then I agree that Shogun would be the winner. The issue being that the math of the current scoring system allows Machida, who put on a less impressive showing than Shogun, to have more points at the end of the fight. In a 20 point scoring system, the rounds might look something like this:
Round 1: Machida 20-18
Round 2: Machida 20-18
Round 3: Machida 20-17
Round 4: Shogun 20-16
Round 5: Shogun 20-16
Result: Shogun 93, Machida 92

In that scenario, Machida did win more rounds but because of the difference in scoring weight Shogun is still the victor because he did inflict more damage in the two rounds that he won than Machida did in his three rounds.

I'd like to see a rematch between these two- because Shogun definitely just proved that Machida is not the comic-book hero that many thought he was.