WOWOWO guys, I was just saying that the last few seasons talent sucked, there probably is guys worthy of a place on tuf fighting in KOTC or Rage in the cage or beletti or bellator or shomma or vendetta but they certainly haven't showed up on the latest tuf.
There has been 10 seasons of tuf so far,2 HW shows, 3 LHW batches, 4 MW batches, 4 WW and 3 LW, I think since they have had 10 shows of solely american fighters I think its time to give the others a chance, the ufc is about finding the best fighters in the world ad having them compete against each other, not the best fighters in the world and then all the best american challengers.

And you clearly haven't watched and followed any of the fight circuits in the USA other than the UFC. The sport of MMA has been American, is American, and though has many foundations in foreign martial arts- is always going to have a large portion of American athletes. HELLO-- the largest MMA company in the world IS AMERICAN!How on earth could I be? I am Irish. However I have seen guys come from Vendetta into UFC like Rodney Wallace and he was beaten by Brian Stann, he was a champion in vendetta. By all means bring in as much talent you can from America but there is other talent elsewhere, don't blinker yourself from prospects just because you want to bread American talent.
Saying MMA is always going to be American is arrogant. Three UFC champions are foreign, Four strikeforce champions are foreign, two of three wec champions are foreign.
Organised MMA started in Japan I think(shooto) but the UFC started in America but it is a world wide organization with its base in America, it is as open to foreign talent as it is American. I am pretty sure Dana would agree with me there, granted it would be alot easier for them to spot American talent from their base over there but they certainly are open to other talent.

You've made comments on these boards before in reference to some topics that Americans would find offensive, including links to other sites with Anti-American jokes.What has this got to do with anything? You think I hate America now? What was your purpose in posting this?

I can tell you this, moored26- you're clearly an educated fan and have a great future ahead as a spectator of this sport. Nice Italics on the spectator bit, you know I plan on fighting and having more to do with the fight game and this sly dig was unnecessary considering yu don't kniw whether I am talented for the sport or not.

Richard wrote:
you're clearly an educated fan and have a great future ahead as a spectator of this sport I mean you went out of your way to put it in Italics, that's just cheap and most definitely could be classified as a personal attack.

How many times have you stated that you aren't a fighter? I remember when Tabwyo jumped on you for making a dig at him you backed out quickly saying that you had no experience because you weren't a competitor.

It's no personal attack to say that a spectator is a spectator. That's not a jab at you, and I'm sorry if you take offense to it. However my statement stands as you have mentioned repeatedly that you are not a competitor.

I never said anything about you "hating America" but I did point out that you have repeatedly gone out of your way to make comments about Americans and referencing other sites that do as well. So when you are on a predominantly American-based member board and make comments about the American talent pool being slack, expect to get some return-fire. When you make polarized statements and get polarized responses, don't act surprised about it.

My statement about MMA keeping it's majority American fan base has nothing to do with whether that's right or wrong. It's just a fact. Hate to point out the obvious, but so long as the largest and richest promoter of the sport is in America, it seems like a no-brainer that Americans will have the most exposure to it. I think there are a LOT of VERY talented guys that fight who aren't American. That has nothing to do with it. The sport will still have a primarily American fan-base so long as the UFC is in control of the sport. Anderson Silva is quite possibly the most talented fighter ever to walk the face of earth- but you still don't see the UFC hosting all sell-out crowds in Brazil. Again, not saying that's right or wrong, just stating the obvious!

All in all, moored26- I do think that you generally have a very knowledgeable input regarding the sport. You have clearly done your homework as any well-informed fan should. But you can't make statements like "There's no more talented fighters in America" and not expect to get some heated responses.

I guess you missed the USA vs UK season. Or the fact that there has been more than a few non-american competitors sprinkled in more than a few shows.

Here's a fact that might chap your little Irish behind. Fighters come to the States & Canada (to an extent)because:
A) the level of competition and training are light years ahead of the rest of the world with the exception of Brazil and Japan.
the abundant training oportunities.
C) the availability of higher competative events with a good chance of getting exposure.

I've fought two Irishman, a Brit, and Aussie and a Frenchie to date. Not saying that not being American was why they lost. And I'd never question their heart. But they had holes in there ground and striking games that you could move herds of cattle through. And they were all considered top competition in their respective countries. And I was fighting them as an amateur takeing them on in pro-am competition.

On a side note. I'd say Richards not so subtle quasi-not-quite insult was basically fair play. Your posting on here is always fairly well thought out. So I am of a mind to say that you knew you were going to be offending some Americans with that comment. Including a decorated ten year military vet honorably discharged from his countries services for wounds aquired in combat.

Tabwyo wrote:
Including a decorated ten year military vet honorably discharged from his countries services for wounds acquired in combat.

Karma bump. No matter what side of any MMA related argument that the American members of this board may fall on, we can all agree that our soldiers and vets are to be commended and saluted.

I don't want to get off topic, but I thought that should be said.

OK guys this is too much for my little Irish mind, this forum is too hostile and closed minded for me and you certainly won't see me back here, being a loyal forumer in the past it is sad to see that you have driven me away from here. You are so worried about offending people who may come onto this site and see racism or something that you have driven two of your best forumers away. While I admit killagina went over the line more than once, I think he should be allowed back and his input will be missed.

I have said on many man occasions my goal is to be a fighter to you Richard so don't go covering up your dig by back tracking and playing ignorant.

I have repeatedly gone out of my way to reference americans? WHAT? once richard and it was one link to a site i dont have any hand in. I hope you guys get off your high horse before new forumers come because you are so mixed up in your own arrogance and american patriotism that you can't see where people are coming from in what is a reasonable case.

I will watch your videos no problem but I am not posting here again.