lenrob wrote:
This guy has no business inside the cage. He makes a mockery of MMA. Without exaggeration I can say that I could whoop his ass in a stand up match and I doubt he could take me down. Stick to grappling dude!

Yesterday I watched a match between him and Okami, that was an embarrassment to the sport.

Is there anything you say about anybody that isn't next to complete, and very ill informed, personal opinion??

And until you make any notable contribution to "the sport". I'd go easy on calling anything an embarrasment. Just like I'd go easy on saying anybody doesn't belong in "the cage" until you've been there. I'd love to see you fight Lister, or Kang for that matter. If you made it to the ring w/o wetting yourself first it would be a personal victory in and of itself. I don't really mean to be insulting or make this too personal. But you are pretty quick to throw the "you suck" around at a guys who at least have been there and done that.

What you say is absolutely true. However it is also pretty much true for everything that is said on this forum. I overstated my case about fighting Lister for dramatic effect, but my striking is still way better than his (and I am a far-from-healthy middle-aged guy who has never even stepped into the ring/cage).

Everybodys "striking game" is always better when they face a grappler. And most people aren't shy about pointing that out. Lets regress back to the Gracie displays in the first UFC's. People still think this way. But nowadays your mean striking game aint diddly w/o back up. Lister has a crap gameplan for MMA, I'll give you that. He'll take a tag or two to get in a mug your butt to the ground where he pulls your knickers down and give you a spankin. Sorry to say it but even today guy heavy onthe ground side will trump guys heavy on the feet if the standup don't go the standup guys way.

I hosted a clinic for him a couple years ago. And with me being an easy 45 pounds heavier and in fighting shape with my CSW, jitz and thai background, he still ate me up. On the feet I tagged him up pretty good. But he ate it, got his mitts on me and I was done. He twisted me every which way but in two. The only thing I think I had him on was conditioning. And conditioning is only a factor if you last. We did three rounds. One striking, one grappling and one everything.

First round I did a pretty good job of sniping and hittin set up kicks, he was no slouch though. He moved good and hit hard. He hits like a grappler (100%). But being a guy with reach I used that to back off at angles and circle while striking.

Second round he destroyed me. I think it was 25(maybe closer to 35) taps in 5 minutes. I was never in control at any time. He did compliment my use of Paulson-esque leg attacks. But I didn't come close to even putting him in anymore minor discomfort than sweating on him.

The last was his but I got in a fair bit of tagging till he got his hands on me. First round was gloved up with shins & head gear (16oz front padded boxing gloves). Second was strictly grappling w/o gloves. Third was in front padded MMA sparring gloves, shins and no head gear (no head shots either) gloves. I could bitch about all the ways it "could" have went my way if it were a live MMA fight. But i don't wish this guy on my worst enemies worst child.

You may have a serious striking pedigree and have added a dab of grappling. But Lister is just an encyclopedea of the worst subs I have ever felt second only to Erik Paulson.

Saying the guy is a disgrace to a game you don't even play is more or less as funky as ten day old gym socks.